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  • #16
    I am not too sure 99 ! Now the blame will be extended even beyond the aggressive appearance of the AR’s. It will now help to show to the opposition, that now there is no line between the different means of shooting possibilities. Those will be their words, not mine. But they will find any crack in the issue to use to their benefit and which will appease their argument ! And of course, world pressure will be heavily relied upon !

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    • #17
      I still believe that publicity plays a major role in these mass killings.
      Just last month, in a city near Tokyo, Japan, a man went on a slashing spree with two knives, killing two and injuring 17 others.
      He then killed himself by stabbing his own neck. Sound familiar?

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      • #18
        I agree that the media makes as much as they can of every shooting, for many of the wrong reasons -- but I think there's a whole lot more going on with these individuals than a desire for fame. Minimal reporting on these incidents would not accomplish what the "No TV time" policy does to morons at the ballpark.

        And believe me, as a former journalist myself, I am acutely aware of how news reporting works -- editorial slant, shaping the truth to fit your own agenda, etc. And nobody hates the current mainstream media more than I do. But come on: When one of these shootings happens, it IS major news. You can't expect anyone to not report it and then have several days of follow-ups.

        Further, with internet news being posted mainly for the number of clicks, of course they're going to put up everything they can for as long as they can. Pro, con, or indifferent, gun control is one of the top three or four debated topics in the country right now. In a business sense, they'd be fools not to milk a shooting for all its worth. (And hey, since most mainstream media is indeed left-leaning and against gun ownership, what do they care?). I'll be the first to say that this is downright despicable, but that's what the world has become.

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        • #19
          [QUOTE=bowhunter75richard;n62993]

          I agree with your comment and stand Dewman, however there will never be a rational discussion concerning guns in America. There is too much ignorance by the opposition concerning the issue. Their argument is strictly based on the fact that ONE more gun control law will be the answer to all gun related issues ! There is no middle ground between the two opposing sides, and with the slide towards liberalism (and socialism) in this country, that should scare the hell out of most of us. Our first amendment has been butchered by PC, and I see no reason to expect that the 2nd has any better chance to survive as it was originally intended and written !! The major problem is, and will remain, you can not fix stupid ![/QUOTE

          I believe there IS some middle ground, but it gets smothered under both the ignorant, hardcore, leftist-antis, and the blindly traditional hardcore right.

          First of all, I personally know members of racial minorities who hunt and own hunting firearms. I personally know a same-sex pair of spouses who both own guns, and one even has her pistol permit. How many of our fellows at the rod-and-gun club would call these people allies?

          Recently, a local man shot and killed two intruders in his home. In my largely liberal-minded workplace, it was about ten to one, people in favor of what the guy did (even though his pistol was unregistered). I don't think my experiences are necessarily universal, but still .... We do have allies, and we also have people who are largely indifferent but certainly aren't against us.

          It's an honest observation: Most of these people are primarily liberal people who are willing to think beyond their side of the spectrum. How many of the "Don't give an inch" crowd do you see considering the same thing in the other direction? YES, yes, I know: Given how fanatic and ignorant the hardcore lefties are, we shudder at the thought of what could happen if we do give an inch or two. I'm not disagreeing with that.

          But I do have rational discussions about guns with left-leaning people, non gun-owners, etc. But you're right: I think we're past the point of it happening (or the media letting happen) on a national scale.

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          • #20
            Matt, I certainly do not mean to be the chicken who proclaimed the sky to be falling, but there appears to be little hope in regards to how much room there is between the sky and the ground at this time where guns are concerned in this country. I think that to some degree, we have been our own worst enemy with our ‘don’t bend’ attitude and have come across as uncaring, and unwilling to lessen the mass shootings of the last several years. I think we will always keep our strong core of gun rights people, but it is the middle ground that we also need to convince in our struggle. I know, I know, we have had this discussion before and I have been pretty roughly handled by some on here with my thoughts on this. I will admit, it is a darn hard issue to concern ourselves with, and further admit, that I myself have no answer to it’s betterment, and I can see the argument of those who profess not giving an inch. BWT being said, I can also understand those who feel strongly about tougher gun control too ! But we all know that these shootings have been not by law abiding gun owners, but by those who break the law, and more gun control is not going to make them any more law abiding. But how is that to be delivered to the hard core gun control leftist ? As I said, at this time I see no light at the end of the tunnel in this matter.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
              Matt, I certainly do not mean to be the chicken who proclaimed the sky to be falling, but there appears to be little hope in regards to how much room there is between the sky and the ground at this time where guns are concerned in this country. I think that to some degree, we have been our own worst enemy with our ‘don’t bend’ attitude and have come across as uncaring, and unwilling to lessen the mass shootings of the last several years. I think we will always keep our strong core of gun rights people, but it is the middle ground that we also need to convince in our struggle. I know, I know, we have had this discussion before and I have been pretty roughly handled by some on here with my thoughts on this. I will admit, it is a darn hard issue to concern ourselves with, and further admit, that I myself have no answer to it’s betterment, and I can see the argument of those who profess not giving an inch. BWT being said, I can also understand those who feel strongly about tougher gun control too ! But we all know that these shootings have been not by law abiding gun owners, but by those who break the law, and more gun control is not going to make them any more law abiding. But how is that to be delivered to the hard core gun control leftist ? As I said, at this time I see no light at the end of the tunnel in this matter.
              And it does seem, too, that many of the gun-favoring leftists would never face further to the left and say to those zealots, "Hey, back off on this a little!" That's one of my main beefs right now: The absolute silence of the moderate to moderately liberal people who are not such zealots but are afraid of being branded more conservative than they are. And often it's either silence, or statements they don't view as harmful but really are.

              Heard such a guy -- a decent guy, acquaintence of mine for several years -- talking with someone else about one of his neighbors who owns twenty guns or so. Mind you, my friend had commented earlier on what a nice, decent guy his neighbor was. This was shortly after the Vegas shooting, when that shooter had a roomful of guns.

              I suddenly hear my friend say, about his gun-owning neighbor: "So, if there's a mass shooting around here anytime soon, I guess we'll know who did it!"

              Now, I know this guy is not that stupid. I went over and said to him, "What? How do you figure the number of guns somebody owns somehow makes them more likely to commit a psychotic crime like a mass shooting?" I went on and said, Hey, I own four guns. Does that mean I'm four times more likely than anyone else to commit a mass shooting?." I went on and on, told him how if I took up just a couple new kinds of hunting, and maybe joined a skeet club, I could easily see myself buying five or six more guns. I basically read him the riot act, without making a scene.

              Once confronted, he was was pretty embarrassed. He's not anti-gun; we've talked many times about hunting, he's interested in it, his dad used to hunt, etc. And he's not that stupid. But if I hadn't been in that room, he would have let the comment stand, no doubt. He was talking to a total urbanite with no experience whatsoever with guns or gunowners. It was something socially acceptable and commendable to say, and that's all it was to him.

              And there was a positive there, too: The woman he was talking to didn't exactly gush sudden enthusiasm for the idea of owning a gun, but she certainly saw the sense in what I was saying. She asked me what skeet was. Then we got on the topic of some of the local high schools that still have shooting teams, and a couple who have just started them or brought them back. She was quite a looker, actually, but I was working and she had a ring on her third left. It was a good little talk, though. Always good to enlighten the city folk.


              Last edited by MattM37; 06-04-2019, 07:44 PM.

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              • #22
                .....”Always good to enlighten the city folk......” ! And that Matt, is where 95% of the dissidents of the gun issue come from. With the total city populations of America being in greater numbers than those of the rural community, we will always be on the low end of the stick ! It is very easy for people who have no involvement in a activity (or cause) and thus do not understand it, to have fear or misgivings concerning it. That situation is reduced considerably by those living in a rural environment ! I do not have that many more years to fight about this, either with the anti’s, or our hard core right. But, regardless of that fact, there is always my grandchildren, or those of others, to be concerned with in this gun issue, and of course in the matter of the 2A protection !

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                • #23
                  I just heard on Fox News an armed Security Guard stayed outside the building for 48 minutes.🐔
                  The coward guard is being charged for multiple offenses. ⚖️
                  You guys may of already mentioned this?

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                  • #24
                    I don't think the Parkland deputy will be convicted of anything, because his story is that the shots sounded like they were coming from outside the building.The 12 person jury would have to unanimously believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he was lying

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