More complete background checks

[bowhunter75richard]

Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.

I agree with most of your post above 6p with the exception of your remark about what appeared to be a slam against mental competency in regards to people being able to own guns. I know there will be some who will argue this point in regards to judging mental fitness, but there must be some benchmark to this issue. We can not possibly leave the door open to everyone being in ownership of guns, that being directly expressed regarding mentality. How that is going to be determined, I do not know, but let’s hope someone does.

[Henry]

The U.S. Supreme Court has recently ruled that the Constitution permits the prohibition of firearms possession by criminals and the mentally ill.
So there are "exceptions" to the Second Amendment, and the Fix NICS Act addresses those exceptions.

The fourteenth amendment states:
______“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

So states can deprive a person of liberty through due process of law. Not an exception, a constitutional provision.

[99explorer]

The U.S. Supreme Court has recently ruled that the Constitution permits the prohibition of firearms possession by criminals and the mentally ill.
So there are "exceptions" to the Second Amendment, and the Fix NICS Act addresses those exceptions.

[FirstBubba]

So I am for this. As a Libertarian, I can assure you that the States have no duty to help the Feds prosecute you (well except for certain circumstances), but I think stuff that should go on the NICS should go on the NICS.

Here's hoping they actually do something about the actual # of prosecutions.

Bucky, guess I'm pretty much a "Libertarian". As far as I'm concerned, the Fed Gov't has its duties lined out in the Constitution.
I DO, however, agree that we are a far cry from the antiquated, wilderness civilization we were in the 1770's and the Constitution may need a bit of "tweaking" here, there and yonder.

The "Second Amendment" IS NOT one of those tweaks!

I'm a firm believer that the NFA '38, GCA '68 and all following gun regulations and Form 4473 need to go the way of the "doo-doo" bird!
But we all know THAT will never happen!

Personally, I don't think there are enough honest, trustworthy and moral politicians left in D.C. that would/could address any changes to the Constitution in the same manner Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Hamilton et al did in the 1770's!
Most of today's politicians are the moral equivalent of Bill and Hillary Clinton!

[99explorer]

So I am for this. As a Libertarian, I can assure you that the States have no duty to help the Feds prosecute you (well except for certain circumstances), but I think stuff that should go on the NICS should go on the NICS.

Here's hoping they actually do something about the actual # of prosecutions.

The NRA was a big supporter of NICS when it went into effect, and is now in favor of expanding the data base to include the names of more criminals.
That is what the Fix NICS Act is all about.
The NRA is vehemently opposed to expanding the NICS system to encompass private sales, which the UBC would include.
But superficially, the "Fix NICS Act" is just another "gun law" which superficial people automatically oppose in a knee jerk reaction, believing that they are
champions of the Second Amendment.

[Buckshott00]

So I am for this. As a Libertarian, I can assure you that the States have no duty to help the Feds prosecute you (well except for certain circumstances), but I think stuff that should go on the NICS should go on the NICS.

Here's hoping they actually do something about the actual # of prosecutions.

[99explorer]

Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.

I kind of like some of the "gun laws" in America, esp. the concealed carry laws recently enacted all over the country.
I don't care much for the idea of a national reciprocity law currently being pushed by some of our gun rights people, because it infringes on states' rights.

[99explorer]

Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.

Talk is cheap. Are you a Life Member of the NRA?

[FirstBubba]

Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.

As the old saying goes, "The more things change, the more they remain the same."

6p
There will be, in a future I hope I'm not in, an eventual total firearm ban and confiscation. Right here in the good old U.S. of A.. That is ... if it's still standing.
In the meantime, I don't intend to give not one inch of ground to the anti's.
Whether it be over an unConstitutional Form 4473, the GCA '68 or a UBC.
Will my side "WIN"?
I dunno?
But that doesn't mean I'm not going to give it my All!

Every "gun law" in America is unConstitutional EXCEPT the Second Amendment.
That's the one I will continue to obey, support and uphold.

[99explorer]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130117/private-sales-restrictions-and-gun-registration

Very good article. I agree completely.

[99explorer]

Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.

I have read defeatist literature produced by the gun control people begging for funds to fight the formidable steam-rolling NRA and the gun lobby.
Both camps prosper by predicting defeat at the hands of the other camp.

[6phunter]

"... Dem and Republican support, NRA losing support on this issue. ..."

jimbo, I know you're at camp, but you need to know that your "presumption" that the NRA is losing support is the same "presumption" that every body thought Trump would lose the election!
The MSM is leading the gen-pop astray hoping to influence the outcome...again!

The MSm has and is brain washing our countrymen with news reels of terrosist shootings in our country illuminating military style weapons as the culprit of choice.The Public grows weary of this and through elections divides sentiment between opposing factions narrowing views until there is ultimately no choice left,but to disarm the citizens and join other nations barring the right of the individual to own and bear arms. Like the American Indian we have no recourse but to fight these advances until we can fight no more. This is how I see things in a future long after I am gone.

[6phunter]

Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.

[FirstBubba]

If each state had its own NICS system with only the names of its own residents, how effective do you think that would be?

Didn't figure you had awakened.

"There are none so blind as those who refuse to see."

Adios, muchacho!

[FirstBubba]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130117/private-sales-restrictions-and-gun-registration