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  • #31
    Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
    If each state had its own NICS system with only the names of its own residents, how effective do you think that would be?
    On the off chance you might understand:

    "... I am utterly opposed to the idea that there’s any subset of people (aside from those locked up in prison or in treatment) who should not be allowed to exercise their Second Amendment rights. ..."

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/05/bruce-krafft/whats-wrong-universal-background-checks/

    Please note in the link where the writer says that if you give in to UBC, you've already lost to the anti's!

    You can either accept the premise or not. I couldn't care less.
    It's people like you who think this is a good idea that are slowly eroding Americans Second Amendment rights!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
      If each state had its own NICS system with only the names of its own residents, how effective do you think that would be?
      You are a glutton for punishment. You keep coming back for more.
      Bruce Krafft is by his own admission "insanely libertarian," which comes of too many generations eating squirrels and drinking moonshine in the morning.
      You should do some thinking for yourself, instead of digging up Pied Pipers to follow.

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      • #33
        https://twg2a.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/goa-background-checks-atfs-illegal-copying-of-4473-forms/

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        • #34
          Originally posted by FirstBubba View Post
          https://twg2a.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/goa-background-checks-atfs-illegal-copying-of-4473-forms/
          This article about "Current Gun Control Proposals" was written five years ago, during the Obama administration.
          The presently "current" gun control proposal under discussion does not affect legitimate gun buyers at all, but merely adds the names of more convicted criminals and mental defectives to the NICS system.
          Just sayin.'

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          • #35
            https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130117/private-sales-restrictions-and-gun-registration

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            • #36
              Originally posted by 99explorer View Post
              If each state had its own NICS system with only the names of its own residents, how effective do you think that would be?
              Didn't figure you had awakened.

              "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see."

              Adios, muchacho!

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              • #37
                Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by FirstBubba View Post
                  "... Dem and Republican support, NRA losing support on this issue. ..."

                  jimbo, I know you're at camp, but you need to know that your "presumption" that the NRA is losing support is the same "presumption" that every body thought Trump would lose the election!
                  The MSM is leading the gen-pop astray hoping to influence the outcome...again!
                  The MSm has and is brain washing our countrymen with news reels of terrosist shootings in our country illuminating military style weapons as the culprit of choice.The Public grows weary of this and through elections divides sentiment between opposing factions narrowing views until there is ultimately no choice left,but to disarm the citizens and join other nations barring the right of the individual to own and bear arms. Like the American Indian we have no recourse but to fight these advances until we can fight no more. This is how I see things in a future long after I am gone.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by 6phunter View Post
                    Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.
                    I have read defeatist literature produced by the gun control people begging for funds to fight the formidable steam-rolling NRA and the gun lobby.
                    Both camps prosper by predicting defeat at the hands of the other camp.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by FirstBubba View Post
                      https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130117/private-sales-restrictions-and-gun-registration
                      Very good article. I agree completely.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by 6phunter View Post
                        Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.
                        As the old saying goes, "The more things change, the more they remain the same."

                        6p
                        There will be, in a future I hope I'm not in, an eventual total firearm ban and confiscation. Right here in the good old U.S. of A.. That is ... if it's still standing.
                        In the meantime, I don't intend to give not one inch of ground to the anti's.
                        Whether it be over an unConstitutional Form 4473, the GCA '68 or a UBC.
                        Will my side "WIN"?
                        I dunno?
                        But that doesn't mean I'm not going to give it my All!

                        Every "gun law" in America is unConstitutional EXCEPT the Second Amendment.
                        That's the one I will continue to obey, support and uphold.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by 6phunter View Post
                          Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.
                          Talk is cheap. Are you a Life Member of the NRA?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by 6phunter View Post
                            Nothing remains the same for very long,here in the good ol U.S.A we have enjoyed our gun freedoms for generations,however the hounds of public grievances keep nipping at these freedoms slowly eroding the base at which our right to arms by the citizens of this country have long sustained. Gun registration is looming on the horizon,certification of compliance along with mental competency next.Future generations of gun advocates may not have enough voice to be heard or recognized to counter the dismantling of the 2nd amendment.
                            I kind of like some of the "gun laws" in America, esp. the concealed carry laws recently enacted all over the country.
                            I don't care much for the idea of a national reciprocity law currently being pushed by some of our gun rights people, because it infringes on states' rights.

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                            • #44
                              So I am for this. As a Libertarian, I can assure you that the States have no duty to help the Feds prosecute you (well except for certain circumstances), but I think stuff that should go on the NICS should go on the NICS.

                              Here's hoping they actually do something about the actual # of prosecutions.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Buckshott00 View Post
                                So I am for this. As a Libertarian, I can assure you that the States have no duty to help the Feds prosecute you (well except for certain circumstances), but I think stuff that should go on the NICS should go on the NICS.

                                Here's hoping they actually do something about the actual # of prosecutions.
                                The NRA was a big supporter of NICS when it went into effect, and is now in favor of expanding the data base to include the names of more criminals.
                                That is what the Fix NICS Act is all about.
                                The NRA is vehemently opposed to expanding the NICS system to encompass private sales, which the UBC would include.
                                But superficially, the "Fix NICS Act" is just another "gun law" which superficial people automatically oppose in a knee jerk reaction, believing that they are
                                champions of the Second Amendment.

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