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  • #16
    I just see a paragraph of exuses for breaking the law. There is no gray area. Are you poaching or hunting legal? If it is no big deal and everyone does it, go ahead and explain to us the time you did it.

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    • #17
      I don't think an average private landowner who's property borders public land wants to be contacted by a couple dozen hunters every year saying "hi I'm hunting next door....." I'm thinking most would be bothered by that. But since where I hunt we are allowed to enter neighbors land in pursuit of injured game I haven't considered this topic too much. If I hunted in another state with different laws than I suppose I would be more careful and approach it differently. Too be honest I figured all states had similar trespass laws but would have looked into it if I had crossed over into another state to hunt.

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      • #18
        "I don't think an average private landowner who's property borders public land wants to be contacted by a couple dozen hunters every year saying "hi I'm hunting next door." - You are probably right in this situation. I bet it is posted and the answer is no. If you want to take advantage of hunting public land and be within a certain distance of private land, you owe it to the wildlife and the landowner to find out before you hunt or hunt farther back. If not, you might end up in the paper being labled a poacher. Why do people try to make execuses for breaking the law?

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        • #19
          As a landowner, I would rather jcarlin retrieve his deer than leave it to rot. Also I respect him attempting to check with the "not at home landowner", in the vast majority of cases a landowner will grant permission to retrieve fallen game.
          It is trespass only if the landowner decides it is and presses charges and most will not in a case like this.
          later,
          charlie

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          • #20
            "in the vast majority of cases a landowner will grant permission to retrieve fallen game" & "and most will not in a case like this" - Pure opinion, no facts or please post the stats. Some people like to dream up stuff too. I am a landowner and if you would like to come on my property, please ask first. Keep in mind first time hunters and children will be reading this, do you want them to be poachers or do the right thing?

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            • #21
              While we are on this subject. This is a question I asked on this forum back on Nov 11, 2011
              OL would not allow me to post the link. You can find it by going to my profile, then answers and click on the Question tab

              "Would you have done the same in this situation? A trespasser stormed into my view at 8 AM during the WI firearm season. He was very excited claiming he was tracking a deer he shot earlier that morning. After introductions I informed him he was deep onto my property during prime hunting hours; waiting til later and calling for permission would have been the courteous thing to do. Following the blood trail quickly indicated a bad hit; gut shot with maybe a liver nick. I informed him the deer needed some time to settle down to die then escorted him back to his stand setup. A neighbor had given him permission to hunt but he traveled a long way off that land crossing another's land in order to setup on my land. Showed him the boundaries, he claimed confusion in the morning dark and promised not to violate again. I found his deer a nice doe early that afternoon, called him to come get it and helped him haul it out. The trespasser ends up with a nice deer and no charges filed for his violation burning up a day of my hunting. Was I too nice? Now that he clearly knows the property lines will he honor them?"

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              • #22
                @charlie elk, I think your situation was different from the hypothetical scenario posed by the original poster, where a completely legal hunter hit an animal that traveled onto a property where he didn't have permission to be. In yours, the guy did NOT have permission to be where he was actually hunting, and in my mind that changes everything.
                @schmakenzie, you keep saying that if don't know the landowner adjoining the property where you're hunting, you should stay a "certain distance", to use your own words, from the boundary. So what is that distance, since you clearly know everything about this issue? Is it 200 yards? 400? A half-mile? Because a badly-hit animal can easily travel a half mile in many cases, and we ALL hit animals badly once in a while, because nobody's perfect.

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                • #23
                  In New Jersey if a wounded animal runs onto another private property and the land owner doesn't give you permission then the animal rots.
                  It is not worth breaking the law and getting a five hundred dollar fine with a trespassing fine/conviction that goes on your record. I would call the Conservation Officer and see if he could ask the land owner permission to allow me to get my game animal. I don’t think a landowner would turn down a law enforcement officer.
                  The state of Iowa gives their hunters legal permission to retrieve game. The Honorable Judge would follow Iowa state law and rule in favor of the hunter over the upset landowner.

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                  • #24
                    Hunting on public land means you have the right to hunt ALL of it. As long as the boundary line is clear and the hunter is not trespassing, there is no need to feel obligated to give a buffer zone. Yes a wounded deer could cross the line but like others have said, that could be a few feet or a few miles. Not all public land is big enough to have "buffer zones". For example, private property and/or public land around city limits are usually small, with several surrounding properties. Would that then scare you off from hunting there? Wildlife management is important in those areas to reduce car collisions.

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                    • #25
                      What I did not know was that there was one odd corner to the property which was owned by yet another party, who from my understanding is essentially an absentee owner. Regarding the fact that you just shouldn't hunt near someplace that you don't have permission, you obviously have no idea what living in anything like suburbia is like.d

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                      • #26
                        So in the case of not having known one of the adjacent owners, schmakenzie is right on that point.
                        I'm far enough outside of Philly that the farms and large tracts still hold more area than the housing developments. However, a large property around here is anything over 20 acres. a small property might be 2000 SF.

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                        • #27
                          I own a little over an acre bordering township land in a creek bottom. I have a stand out in the woods behind my house. I have permission to hunt and retrieve from my immediate neighbors as well. Even in that situation, which is about as good as it gets in my corner of the world, if an animal moves on more than a few hundred yards, it could cross any number of property lines depending on direction of travel, how many people would you like me to have expressly talked to before the season starts. I think you need a different perspective to understand how tough access can be out here. It wasn't all that long ago that the game commission changed the archery regs so that you archers were held to 50 yards from an occupied structure that they do not have permission to hunt near as opposed to 150. That's too close for comfort in my book, but they're addressing a real problem.

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                          • #28
                            This isn't the big woods and even a well hit deer can run far. By the way, having read our game laws the act isn't considered poaching. Even if I had been actively hunting while trespassing, which I haven't done in my life. Even if one was caught doing so, the game commission tells you to call the PD, because trespassing isn't within their jurisdiction unless another hunting offense, such as a safety zone being violated, is occurring. Frankly, whatever your interpretation, the game itself is public property by law. Based on the situation, I think the retrieving laws, which I like the unarmed aspect, should allow you to pursue. It smacks of the European system to allow a landowner to claim the animal simply because of where it fell. I can't imagine doing that. I've heard of grown men who consider themselves hunters denying children their first deer. You do that and you might be within the law, but you know in your heart that you're a despicable person. So says me.

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                            • #29
                              Sorry for the 4 part answer, but character limits were tough. please read the 4 below in sequence before blasting any one. After that, it's open season.

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                              • #30
                                Agreed jcarlin. Every area is different and public land is available for hunting right up to the border. That being said most landowners and trespass law consider killing across the line trespass. When I take a shot at an animal in this situation I like a "buffer" to the animal so that there is at least a blood trail to prove if necessary where the animal was at point of shot.
                                I see no reason to contact surrounding landowners in advance your hunt just for the purpose of retrieving game, for permission to hunt, yes.
                                My post about one of my experiences as a landowner was intended to provide a little context to the fact that all landowners are not pricks and a good hunter should not be afraid to approach us for help. Too many times when we hunters talk we have a tendency to tell the tales of the crabby selfish landowner rather than all the good cheery generous ones.
                                later,
                                charlie

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