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I have bowhunted for over 40 years and during that time I have encountered a situation that has plagued me on enough occasions to indicate that there must be a reason for it. My problem however, is that I have been unable to determine the reason. M

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  • charlie elk
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    Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
    Once I believed they had a 6th sense, that somehow they could read my thoughts and it's more fun to believe this. After 50 years of deer hunting with stick, string and wood arrows; having numerous mature bucks in close my thoughts on this subject have changed.
    A deer's eyes see about 280 degrees all around. Much of their sight picks up shading and light reflection. This is why I have always worn clothing made of natural fiber; 1st choice wool it absorbs light, reflecting less light back to the deer's eyes. Today's synthetics are like light reflectors to the game's eyes.
    I think this is especially critical when in close. A simple slow movement can cause a flash of light to his eye causing an experienced deer to immediately stiffen or bolt.
    A hearty welcome back in the fold. Happy hunting.

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  • bowhunter75richard
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    Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
    Once I believed they had a 6th sense, that somehow they could read my thoughts and it's more fun to believe this. After 50 years of deer hunting with stick, string and wood arrows; having numerous mature bucks in close my thoughts on this subject have changed.
    A deer's eyes see about 280 degrees all around. Much of their sight picks up shading and light reflection. This is why I have always worn clothing made of natural fiber; 1st choice wool it absorbs light, reflecting less light back to the deer's eyes. Today's synthetics are like light reflectors to the game's eyes.
    I think this is especially critical when in close. A simple slow movement can cause a flash of light to his eye causing an experienced deer to immediately stiffen or bolt.
    "So unless you want to be wimpier than a 9 year old" was a slap that got my attention pretty darn
    quick. I know that was your intent and I must say it did the trick !!! Now all I have to do is find
    someway to keep them pesky varmits from going stiff legged and vacating my shooting area. I
    must say I applaud the organization Hunt of a Lifetime and your connection with them. There
    are other groups which help to aid in a last wish to terminally ill children, and I can not think of a
    better way for one to contribute to helping a child. Take care !

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  • charlie elk
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    Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
    Once I believed they had a 6th sense, that somehow they could read my thoughts and it's more fun to believe this. After 50 years of deer hunting with stick, string and wood arrows; having numerous mature bucks in close my thoughts on this subject have changed.
    A deer's eyes see about 280 degrees all around. Much of their sight picks up shading and light reflection. This is why I have always worn clothing made of natural fiber; 1st choice wool it absorbs light, reflecting less light back to the deer's eyes. Today's synthetics are like light reflectors to the game's eyes.
    I think this is especially critical when in close. A simple slow movement can cause a flash of light to his eye causing an experienced deer to immediately stiffen or bolt.
    Some tough love--Life happens, we deal with it, even though it's easier not to. For years I've worked with Hunt of Lifetime an organization the grants hunting wishes to kids with life threatening illnesses. Here you can see the bios on some of the kids and their hunts http://huntofalifetime.org/index.php?option=com_mtree&Itemid=29 if these youngsters can have a zest for life and make the most of their short time then we more experienced folks can too. In some cases their dream hunt was the thing that turned the tide in their treatments by giving them hope. While others sadly barely made it to or thru their hunts.
    So unless you want to be wimpier than a 9 year old, get out there and hunt. OK, I get elk are hard when we get older but there many other things to hunt. Pick something else and use a different hunting tool if necessary.
    One other thing; using rubber tipped arrows is illegal in most states under their wildlife harassment laws. I once looked into finding a way to catch and release hunt and found that there are no nonlethal methods allowed. Not paintballs, rubber tipped arrows, tranquilizers, counting coup nor driving or other manipulation of wildlife for photographic purposes.

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  • bowhunter75richard
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    Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
    Once I believed they had a 6th sense, that somehow they could read my thoughts and it's more fun to believe this. After 50 years of deer hunting with stick, string and wood arrows; having numerous mature bucks in close my thoughts on this subject have changed.
    A deer's eyes see about 280 degrees all around. Much of their sight picks up shading and light reflection. This is why I have always worn clothing made of natural fiber; 1st choice wool it absorbs light, reflecting less light back to the deer's eyes. Today's synthetics are like light reflectors to the game's eyes.
    I think this is especially critical when in close. A simple slow movement can cause a flash of light to his eye causing an experienced deer to immediately stiffen or bolt.
    Charlue, your advice as to never give up has been heard and understood, I have told that
    to others on numerous occasions and I now find it easier said than done. I have been away
    from the real intent to hunt for over 10 years, it may be difficult now to get back into the mind
    set to do so. Mybig love of hunting in the past was elk hunting and I would love to go on
    one more elk trip, if that would change my mind set I don't know, possibly. My last hunt was
    in 2012 south of Craig, Col., on that trip I was with rubber blunts only. I understand and agree
    with all you have said above and I appreciate your thoughts on this matter. My years are
    catching up to me and it will probably take some stong motivating factor to make a decision
    which way I go. Maybe we can keep in touch and I will let you know if you have been successful
    in your attempt to save my hunting soul !! Thanks again.

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  • charlie elk
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    Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
    Once I believed they had a 6th sense, that somehow they could read my thoughts and it's more fun to believe this. After 50 years of deer hunting with stick, string and wood arrows; having numerous mature bucks in close my thoughts on this subject have changed.
    A deer's eyes see about 280 degrees all around. Much of their sight picks up shading and light reflection. This is why I have always worn clothing made of natural fiber; 1st choice wool it absorbs light, reflecting less light back to the deer's eyes. Today's synthetics are like light reflectors to the game's eyes.
    I think this is especially critical when in close. A simple slow movement can cause a flash of light to his eye causing an experienced deer to immediately stiffen or bolt.
    Never give up, that is how I've lived my life through good time and bad. When we hunt, we hunt because we are hungry not only for food but for freedom and insight. In order to hunt the goal must be to kill. Now at the moment of truth the hunter cam make another decision and he has still hunted. Rubber tips and cameras do not provide real satisfaction. Only a hunt can do that, to feed one's soul. There is no reason for you to quit the hunt. I've had similar thoughts about death, everyone does at one time or another. Witnessing the death of all those animals over the last half century has, strangely, given me comfort and understanding of death. Nature demands something must die for another to live. The bottom line choice is you can either be a bystander watching the world go by or you can be a participant. Personally I choose to participate and do not want to outsource my food acquisition to someone else. Someone must the kill the meat so it might as well be me. It's the way of nature and cannot be denied.

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  • jcarlin
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    Outside of all the of the other fun answers to speculate on, I recall reading an article by a photographer whose name I can not recall. He claimed that he stopped wearing a quartz watch because he had become convinced that deer could hear the vibration of the crystal out to I don't remember how many tens of yards.

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  • jcarlin
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    I'm with the group on a the sixth sense, but I think it might be less than "magical". I've been convinced for years that I see more deer when I'm trying to keep a calm state then when I'm trying to be hyper vigilant.
    You pick up on something too well focused on you. I don't know that it works from behind for people, but anything within your field of vision, no matter how close to the edge it works.

    On your ride home tonight try this:
    Turn your head and look at a car next to you. As much as we all focus ahead 90% of the time, by the time you fix your gaze on the person next to you, they are already turning to look at you or are looking back at you already. It might be that even in your most peripheral vision, the mind is programmed that the most dangerous thing in the world is another face or pair of eyes focused solely on you. Whatever the case is, it works.

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  • bowhunter75richard
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    Originally posted by Pathfinder1 View Post
    Hi...


    I think that this may be fairly common...Most deer seem to have good instincts...and might have seen a tiny movement, reflection, or picked up an odor which would require further investigation...!!


    Or, it just might be looking at something 'different', or something that was not there yesterday...!!
    All very good possibilities, Bob and I thank you. Your last sentence sounds as though it
    may be most correct. It has bugged me for some time and has been one of the resons
    I never put a big buck on the ground, that and my nerves whacking me black and blue,
    if you know what I mean.

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  • bowhunter75richard
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    Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
    Once I believed they had a 6th sense, that somehow they could read my thoughts and it's more fun to believe this. After 50 years of deer hunting with stick, string and wood arrows; having numerous mature bucks in close my thoughts on this subject have changed.
    A deer's eyes see about 280 degrees all around. Much of their sight picks up shading and light reflection. This is why I have always worn clothing made of natural fiber; 1st choice wool it absorbs light, reflecting less light back to the deer's eyes. Today's synthetics are like light reflectors to the game's eyes.
    I think this is especially critical when in close. A simple slow movement can cause a flash of light to his eye causing an experienced deer to immediately stiffen or bolt.
    You know, Charlie, I thought I knew most of the things needed to be a successful hunter, it is good
    to get other peoples ideas and ways of doing things. Your white patch on your bow is something I
    would never of thought about and it is such a simple idea that sounds good ! About 10 years ago I
    was found to have a high PSA count and went through 3 biopsies and much aprehension and it made
    me start thinking of my own mortality and completly changed my thought on hunting, and I no longer
    wanted to kill again. I still hunt, but now only with rubber blunts. I still enjoy the challenge and have
    the excitment of the hunt but no longer have the fear of wounding a animal or losing one do to a poorly
    placed arrow. I have shot deer and elk with a 60 pound recurve in the past but now with my age I have
    dropped to my 50 pound limbs and as my draw length has shortned also, I am probably well under 50
    pounds. I would not advise anyone shooting a compound to use rubber blunts on deer, I think there
    would be too much speed and hitting power. Your coments have been good to read, I like the way you
    write and I hope to hear from you in the future, I think we have many of the same feelings on hunting.

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  • Pathfinder1
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    Hi...


    I think that this may be fairly common...Most deer seem to have good instincts...and might have seen a tiny movement, reflection, or picked up an odor which would require further investigation...!!


    Or, it just might be looking at something 'different', or something that was not there yesterday...!!

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  • charlie elk
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    Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
    In regards to my inquiry as to why a mature buck will sometimes go
    stiff legged and back out of a area, I wish to thank all the good responses !
    I have read a book by Fred Asbell, a well known author on deer and a
    long time traditional shooter, that his theory on this situation is that the
    buck is picking up brain waves sent out by the hunter as he is thinking
    about what he is going to do !!! I guess that might be possible, it is
    another possibility. What are your thoughts on such a happening ?
    Again, thanks for your feedback.
    Dang I never thought to try tinfoil. Thanks for the tip hft.

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  • charlie elk
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    Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
    Once I believed they had a 6th sense, that somehow they could read my thoughts and it's more fun to believe this. After 50 years of deer hunting with stick, string and wood arrows; having numerous mature bucks in close my thoughts on this subject have changed.
    A deer's eyes see about 280 degrees all around. Much of their sight picks up shading and light reflection. This is why I have always worn clothing made of natural fiber; 1st choice wool it absorbs light, reflecting less light back to the deer's eyes. Today's synthetics are like light reflectors to the game's eyes.
    I think this is especially critical when in close. A simple slow movement can cause a flash of light to his eye causing an experienced deer to immediately stiffen or bolt.
    To get that shot all of my hunting bows have a patch of white on the riser. All predators have a white patch on their lower neck or chest. The eye of the prey focuses on the white and does not immediately focus on all the other movement of the charge. Over the years it seems this white on my bow focuses the deer's eye there giving me a small window of time to complete my draw and release.

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  • charlie elk
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    Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
    Once I believed they had a 6th sense, that somehow they could read my thoughts and it's more fun to believe this. After 50 years of deer hunting with stick, string and wood arrows; having numerous mature bucks in close my thoughts on this subject have changed.
    A deer's eyes see about 280 degrees all around. Much of their sight picks up shading and light reflection. This is why I have always worn clothing made of natural fiber; 1st choice wool it absorbs light, reflecting less light back to the deer's eyes. Today's synthetics are like light reflectors to the game's eyes.
    I think this is especially critical when in close. A simple slow movement can cause a flash of light to his eye causing an experienced deer to immediately stiffen or bolt.
    You've entered the deer's space, your mind must acclimate to the new environment of stillness. All other sounds have drifted to the background. 2 hearts beat, each hears the other and a connection is made; deer, hunter, string and limb it's all fluid as the sound of sharp steel tears hair and hide. Those other sounds return as the headlong crashing subsides and the recovery starts. You are right by comparison mechanical archery is clunky.

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  • bowhunter75richard
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    Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
    Once I believed they had a 6th sense, that somehow they could read my thoughts and it's more fun to believe this. After 50 years of deer hunting with stick, string and wood arrows; having numerous mature bucks in close my thoughts on this subject have changed.
    A deer's eyes see about 280 degrees all around. Much of their sight picks up shading and light reflection. This is why I have always worn clothing made of natural fiber; 1st choice wool it absorbs light, reflecting less light back to the deer's eyes. Today's synthetics are like light reflectors to the game's eyes.
    I think this is especially critical when in close. A simple slow movement can cause a flash of light to his eye causing an experienced deer to immediately stiffen or bolt.
    On the clothing issue Charlie Elk, I agree with you totally. Much of the commercial hunting clothes
    today are too noisy in the first place. Many people think that a deer inside of twenty yards is an easy
    target to hit. However, it is not hitting the target that is the problem, the problem with traditional
    bows is even getting the shot off. We do not have the luxury of drawing when the animal is behind
    a tree or bush and waiting for it to present a shot, it must be done while fully in the open ! But you know
    that is why we hunt traditionally, it is a challenge and well worth the effort. Things that come too easily
    hold very little interest and present not much of an accomplishment !!

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  • bowhunter75richard
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    Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
    In regards to my inquiry as to why a mature buck will sometimes go
    stiff legged and back out of a area, I wish to thank all the good responses !
    I have read a book by Fred Asbell, a well known author on deer and a
    long time traditional shooter, that his theory on this situation is that the
    buck is picking up brain waves sent out by the hunter as he is thinking
    about what he is going to do !!! I guess that might be possible, it is
    another possibility. What are your thoughts on such a happening ?
    Again, thanks for your feedback.
    I know we should keep an open mind on things, however, I am glad to read that my thoughts on
    this pretty much go along with the above comments. Sometimes it is good not to feel alone in
    one's thinking !!!

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