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Is this unfriendly or what? Headline "Montana game warden’s citation in front of videographer angers Two Harbors elk hunter". The two brothers talked about how they should go about field-dressing the elk, whose back legs were submerged in a marsh. A

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  • #16
    Originally posted by huntfishtrap View Post
    After reading the longer version in the link provided by MWK_MN, I have even less liking for the way Montana FWP handled this situation. Everybody makes mistakes, but it's how you handle the situation after making a mistake that separates the good people from the not-so-good people. The citation was clearly a mistake, as evidenced by the county attorney dropping the charges upon hearing how ridiculous they were. But according to that piece, Montana FWP has continued to insist that it was a right and justified citation, which is absurd. The statement by the president and executive producer of “Wardens” was also insulting. No pressure to produce anything?!? Please. If they didn't produce anything, there would be no show, so that's bull, plain and simple.
    Any desire I had to hunt in Montana has disappeared after hearing about this situation.
    I like how this guy is going as far as trying to get those reality t.v. shows outlawed in that state. I do not think he will be successful but I give the guy credit for taking them on. I enjoy watching poachers get caught but some of that stuff like on COPS shows is just sad and I don't think peoples communities and relatives for generations to come need to see these people at their lowest.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
      One of my goals has been to hunt something in every state before I die. In the process of hunting multiple states I have learned there are friendly states and those that are those who are out to get you. Montana has a reputation as the latter. 50% of the fines levied in MT go into the warden's state retirement fund. So the more citations they write the bigger the retirement pot of all. Another upcoming case is a MN hunter who drove in on a private road to ask permission to hunt, no one was home so he drove out and did not hunt. 6 days after returning home he got a call from a warden who told him he was mailing a criminal trespass citation!? Apparently MT wardens assume NR hunters will not come back to fight these things. What kind of a landowner would press a charge like this? Unless I'm hunting with my buddy dropjhook on his reservation I will not hunt or fish in MT until they do some law and procedure changes.
      Idaho is a much friendlier state. Good choice. djh is busy with family and will be back on the board at some point.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
        One of my goals has been to hunt something in every state before I die. In the process of hunting multiple states I have learned there are friendly states and those that are those who are out to get you. Montana has a reputation as the latter. 50% of the fines levied in MT go into the warden's state retirement fund. So the more citations they write the bigger the retirement pot of all. Another upcoming case is a MN hunter who drove in on a private road to ask permission to hunt, no one was home so he drove out and did not hunt. 6 days after returning home he got a call from a warden who told him he was mailing a criminal trespass citation!? Apparently MT wardens assume NR hunters will not come back to fight these things. What kind of a landowner would press a charge like this? Unless I'm hunting with my buddy dropjhook on his reservation I will not hunt or fish in MT until they do some law and procedure changes.
        Idaho is a much friendlier state. Good choice. djh is busy with family and will be back on the board at some point.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by huntfishtrap View Post
          After reading the longer version in the link provided by MWK_MN, I have even less liking for the way Montana FWP handled this situation. Everybody makes mistakes, but it's how you handle the situation after making a mistake that separates the good people from the not-so-good people. The citation was clearly a mistake, as evidenced by the county attorney dropping the charges upon hearing how ridiculous they were. But according to that piece, Montana FWP has continued to insist that it was a right and justified citation, which is absurd. The statement by the president and executive producer of “Wardens” was also insulting. No pressure to produce anything?!? Please. If they didn't produce anything, there would be no show, so that's bull, plain and simple.
          Any desire I had to hunt in Montana has disappeared after hearing about this situation.
          Taking the elk was just plain vindictive. $135 fine would have enforced the law. But even that would have been chippy in this case.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MN Outdoorsman View Post
            Jcarlin, I read it before you were required to subscribe/log in B.S. They tagged it before field dressing and moving it an inch. 20 minutes had passed after the shot. In those 20 minutes they reached the animal, said a prayer, congratulated each other and took photos, then they tagged it. The law in Montana apparently says you must tag it "immediately". I guess that means right away upon approaching it. They say this is so hunters don't think about it too long than decide to leave it and try and shoot a bigger one. The warden appeared after it was tagged even. He got the head back after they ruled it was a ridiculous seizure but I think the meat was already donated and eaten. In MN you just have to tag an animal before being moved by motor vehicle or away from property. It can be dragged out of the woods first. This warden just made a lot of future T.I.P. volunteers think twice about helping them out I would imagine.
            He needs to be compensated for sure, perhaps with a replacement tag and gas money. However, reading the attitude of the warden and his superiors, they would be after him for something else on his next hunt.

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