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  • Would it be safe to shoot modern gun powder out of a Thompson Center Encore 50 Mag cal. blackpowder rifle? It is stainless. If

    Would it be safe to shoot modern gun powder out of a Thompson Center Encore 50 Mag cal. blackpowder rifle? It is stainless. If it s safe, what would be any recommended loads?? Tom Parrett,Newblaine,AR

  • #2
    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    DO NOT USE SMOKELESS POWDER IN AN TC ENCORE 209 50 CAL MAGNUM PERIOD. NO!

    The only Muzzle loader that is capable of using Smokeless powder is the Savage Model

    Muzzleloader Series
    ?10 MLSS-II Camo
    ?10 MLSS-II
    ?10 MLBTSS-II
    ?10 MLBSS-II
    ?10 ML-II Camo
    ?10 ML-II
    __________________________________
    DO NOT AND I SAY DONOT IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM USE SMOKELESS POWDER IN ANY BLACKPOWDER FIREARM UNLESS IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS SO!
    __________________________________
    Blackpowder including the Savage is not disignated as a firearm and don't need a FFL to buy one

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    • #3
      NOOOOOOOO!
      Old Salts is correct.
      later,
      charlie

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      • #4
        In case you missed the message.

        NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        NEVER...

        EVER...

        shoot smokeless powder in a muzzleloader. With the single exception of the Savage mentioned earlier, there is not a single muzzleloader on the market designed to take the pressure of a load of smokeless powder. This is due in part to the fact that the breech is not completely sealed - because you have to place an external priming source (cap, shotgun primer, whatever), there is the chance, however slight that some of the gases will be expelled out of the back of the chamber.

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        • #5
          horseman308

          Good point to bring up, the location of the breech plug will be lethal!

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          • #6
            http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=savage+muzzleloader+&form=QBIR&qs=n&sk=&s c=1-20#focal=d4520318e1fd5dbfe099b103bdd7afdb&furl=htt p%3A%2F%2Fwww.hpmuzzleloading.com%2FSavge_Blow_Up_ 3_001.jpg

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            • #7
              if your rifle is actually a black powder rifle,then u should use black powder in barrel...up to 150 grains,, NOT modern gun powder like centerfire highly NOT recommended......

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              • #8
                As mentioned above the answer is ,"NO"! Just for your interest, when you ignite black powder there is an explosion that rockets the projectile out the barrel. When modern smokeless powders ignite they drive the projectile by the enormous pressure generated by the expanding gases. Modern powder without some sort of containment, as in a pile on the driveway, ignites and burns away without much fanfare. Black powder handled in the same manner will get the neighbour's attention as it can be explosive without containment. There are few grades of black powder based on the size of the grain which likely determines its burn rate. However, there are dozens of modern powders each with a definite burn rate. The use of a powder with a vastly different burn rate than that required for the cartridge can cause the strongest of modern rifles to fail and injure the shooter.

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                • #9
                  Whew! Thank goodness for good advice.

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                  • #10

                    Another thing about black powder and black powder substitutes versus smokeless propellant(s). Black powder or black powder substitutes are measured by volume and smokeless propellant is measured by weight.

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                    • #11
                      As far as the Savage ML breakup, see this article;
                      http://randywakeman.com/HowToBlowUpASavage10ML.htm.
                      Seems there was more involved that the author of the first article wanted people to know. But it goes to show that if you put your mind to do it, you can blow up just about anything.
                      I will say that in years past, I had an opportunity to play with things that blew up. None of us, myself or the guys I was with ever blew up anything by accident. I heard stories, but could not verify any of them.

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                      • #12
                        No no
                        Smokeless powder cannot be used in a Muzzleloader, except for the above mentioned Savage. Try to think of a "squared away" friend or relative who shoots muzzle loaders and go the the range or to a cool spot and have them teach you. I started wearing ear plus & ear muffs. Take some saftely glassses and targets. Read up on shooting muzzleloaders. Some metalic cartrideg reloading manuals have muzzle loader sections. Be safe & have fun practice practice...

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