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  • Do you think the tariffs with Turkey will lead to the end of the import Turkish made guns?

    Turkey is moving away from NATO and the west. Will the tariffs lead to embargo and the end of the imports? Will that matter to you? Are there Turkish made guns you personally find appealing?

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    I do not know about Turkey and their tariff situation, but Turkey wants very much to be a EU member and that would never happen if they were not a part of NATO ! What tariffs affects would have on a guns embargo is still a very big question mark, but there is no question on the NATO matter, and will not be a part of the equation !

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
      I do not know about Turkey and their tariff situation, but Turkey wants very much to be a EU member and that would never happen if they were not a part of NATO ! What tariffs affects would have on a guns embargo is still a very big question mark, but there is no question on the NATO matter, and will not be a part of the equation !
      Why not? They are on the fast track to becoming an Islamic dictatorship and they have been moving quickly to better relations with Russia.

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      • #4
        Turkey seems to be slipping more and more toward the Left. They have a large amount of debt yet keep on building. We will always need Turkey because of our massive Incerlik Air Base.
        On tariffs and guns, I think there is enough room to pay the tariff and still for the Turkish guns to be competitive in the U.S.

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        • #5
          I don't have any guns that were made in Turkey. And , I don't have any plans to get one.

          It's surprising that we import almost 1/2 million guns each year from the country.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
            I do not know about Turkey and their tariff situation, but Turkey wants very much to be a EU member and that would never happen if they were not a part of NATO ! What tariffs affects would have on a guns embargo is still a very big question mark, but there is no question on the NATO matter, and will not be a part of the equation !
            Your words Dewman, are true to a point. However, Turkey has very strong ties to Germany and wants very much for financial reasons to be a EU member. But if they continue their present dealings it will be very unlikely to happen, so...........! The situation with their connection with the US is a tight one for us, they being a NATO country and we having a important military base there, we are rather over a barrel in our dealings with them. This has been shown in our support of the Kurds in Turkey who are enemies of the Turks, a rather touchy situation to say the least !

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            • #7
              Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
              I do not know about Turkey and their tariff situation, but Turkey wants very much to be a EU member and that would never happen if they were not a part of NATO ! What tariffs affects would have on a guns embargo is still a very big question mark, but there is no question on the NATO matter, and will not be a part of the equation !
              BH75R: your right and your points would make it a bad move for Turkey no doubt. But. Germany will be tied strong to Russia with the pipeline and I wonder if Russia won't use that pipeline to pressure Germany to get closer to Turkey.

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              • #8
                I wonder how easy is it to get a gun in Turkey. I have 2 Baikal's and love them. I have often wondered how much the folks in those countries have to endure to own one of their own?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
                  I do not know about Turkey and their tariff situation, but Turkey wants very much to be a EU member and that would never happen if they were not a part of NATO ! What tariffs affects would have on a guns embargo is still a very big question mark, but there is no question on the NATO matter, and will not be a part of the equation !
                  Your words Dewman echo those of the German people ! There is much distrust from the citizenry concerning the pipeline deal and the trust of the Russian government in connction with this entire setup ! There is much room for trouble in this matter, most being subject to holding the country hostage due to shortages or complete shutoff. It would make one wonder why Germany put itself in such a dangerous position ! The most plausable reason for this might be due to the fact that Germany is ending it’s power from atomic energy, is trying to fill the gap with solor and wind energy but that is severly lacking to be enough and gas supply from sources other than Russia are not easy to find.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
                    I do not know about Turkey and their tariff situation, but Turkey wants very much to be a EU member and that would never happen if they were not a part of NATO ! What tariffs affects would have on a guns embargo is still a very big question mark, but there is no question on the NATO matter, and will not be a part of the equation !
                    Words is just, well, words!

                    Turkey is moving away from the "democratic" society that allied with the U.S. in WWII and Korea and are moving towards an Islamic "theocracy".
                    Turkey is holding an American minister in exchange for a past Turkish leader living in New Jersey (?) that tried to overthrow the current, malignant theocracy that is emerging now.
                    Trump won't negotiate with terrorists. The minister is screwed. The Turks won't release him over tariffs.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
                      I do not know about Turkey and their tariff situation, but Turkey wants very much to be a EU member and that would never happen if they were not a part of NATO ! What tariffs affects would have on a guns embargo is still a very big question mark, but there is no question on the NATO matter, and will not be a part of the equation !
                      Missionaries should stop going to Countries that will arrest them and then expect the U.S. to bail them out. Islam will not tolerate proselytizing Christians.

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                      • #12
                        The tariffs on Turkey are pretty much nonsense intended to at best stir the rumor mill and hurt the value of Turkey's currency which is already struggling (like many others in the world). They will have almost no direct effect on Turkish exports.

                        Turkey has two aluminum smelters that together produce about the same amount of metal a year as any one of the fourteen US plants still operating. However, in recent decades Turkey has developed a significant export industry in finished aluminum products, primarily to Germany, UK, and Iraq. Turkey imports far more aluminum than it can produce. I can't see that they could be exporting much raw product aluminum half way around the world to the US so that tariff is really ineffective. Nonsense actually.

                        America is the largest importer of Turkish steel (still, only 13% of its steel exports go to US) but steel comprises less than five percent of all Turkish exports. Maybe that tariff will hurt them a little ... but so little that I'm sure they could hustle up new a new market for it easily enough without too much damage (like selling to Russia next door ... which one would think would not be a desirable effect of an American tariff because the Russians will just make cheap guns with it to sell to terrorist organizations).

                        And this is all over a Baptist preacher in jail awaiting espionage trial who the Turks won't agree to release unconditionally. Get him some good legal representation, keep the case in the news, and let the guy have his day in court. If he's not guilty, they'll be shamed into releasing him (because Turkey really wants to stay on the good side of West with Putin as a neighbor) and they'll be more careful about letting it happen again. If he's guilty then the US (or whoever the preacher is spying for) will get embarrassed and be more careful in the future. Letting it go to trial is the most productive option. Trump's bully tactic really accomplishes nothing but damage. And sets a VERY bad example of arbitrary diplomacy by tariff for other countries to follow (and we in Canada are already experiencing it with Saudi Arabia). Extremely counterproductive for maintaining world peace and any idiot should have been able to see that. But Trump's insight capabilities are below zero.

                        The reason Trump is hip shooting with tariffs and NAFTA is because that's really about all he can do as president at this point. He has alienated his own party and Congress. He is a sociopath who needs to prove that he has power, that he is in control, that the world revolves around him. So this is what he does because he can do it without any Congressional control. We can at least be thankful he's not sending the military off on some frivolous whim.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ontario Honker Hunter View Post
                          The tariffs on Turkey are pretty much nonsense intended to at best stir the rumor mill and hurt the value of Turkey's currency which is already struggling (like many others in the world). They will have almost no direct effect on Turkish exports.

                          Turkey has two aluminum smelters that together produce about the same amount of metal a year as any one of the fourteen US plants still operating. However, in recent decades Turkey has developed a significant export industry in finished aluminum products, primarily to Germany, UK, and Iraq. Turkey imports far more aluminum than it can produce. I can't see that they could be exporting much raw product aluminum half way around the world to the US so that tariff is really ineffective. Nonsense actually.

                          America is the largest importer of Turkish steel (still, only 13% of its steel exports go to US) but steel comprises less than five percent of all Turkish exports. Maybe that tariff will hurt them a little ... but so little that I'm sure they could hustle up new a new market for it easily enough without too much damage (like selling to Russia next door ... which one would think would not be a desirable effect of an American tariff because the Russians will just make cheap guns with it to sell to terrorist organizations).

                          And this is all over a Baptist preacher in jail awaiting espionage trial who the Turks won't agree to release unconditionally. Get him some good legal representation, keep the case in the news, and let the guy have his day in court. If he's not guilty, they'll be shamed into releasing him (because Turkey really wants to stay on the good side of West with Putin as a neighbor) and they'll be more careful about letting it happen again. If he's guilty then the US (or whoever the preacher is spying for) will get embarrassed and be more careful in the future. Letting it go to trial is the most productive option. Trump's bully tactic really accomplishes nothing but damage. And sets a VERY bad example of arbitrary diplomacy by tariff for other countries to follow (and we in Canada are already experiencing it with Saudi Arabia). Extremely counterproductive for maintaining world peace and any idiot should have been able to see that. But Trump's insight capabilities are below zero.

                          The reason Trump is hip shooting with tariffs and NAFTA is because that's really about all he can do as president at this point. He has alienated his own party and Congress. He is a sociopath who needs to prove that he has power, that he is in control, that the world revolves around him. So this is what he does because he can do it without any Congressional control. We can at least be thankful he's not sending the military off on some frivolous whim.
                          Way too premature to judge the effectiveness of Trump policies on World trade. Come back in a year and then do an assessment.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ontario Honker Hunter View Post
                            The tariffs on Turkey are pretty much nonsense intended to at best stir the rumor mill and hurt the value of Turkey's currency which is already struggling (like many others in the world). They will have almost no direct effect on Turkish exports.

                            Turkey has two aluminum smelters that together produce about the same amount of metal a year as any one of the fourteen US plants still operating. However, in recent decades Turkey has developed a significant export industry in finished aluminum products, primarily to Germany, UK, and Iraq. Turkey imports far more aluminum than it can produce. I can't see that they could be exporting much raw product aluminum half way around the world to the US so that tariff is really ineffective. Nonsense actually.

                            America is the largest importer of Turkish steel (still, only 13% of its steel exports go to US) but steel comprises less than five percent of all Turkish exports. Maybe that tariff will hurt them a little ... but so little that I'm sure they could hustle up new a new market for it easily enough without too much damage (like selling to Russia next door ... which one would think would not be a desirable effect of an American tariff because the Russians will just make cheap guns with it to sell to terrorist organizations).

                            And this is all over a Baptist preacher in jail awaiting espionage trial who the Turks won't agree to release unconditionally. Get him some good legal representation, keep the case in the news, and let the guy have his day in court. If he's not guilty, they'll be shamed into releasing him (because Turkey really wants to stay on the good side of West with Putin as a neighbor) and they'll be more careful about letting it happen again. If he's guilty then the US (or whoever the preacher is spying for) will get embarrassed and be more careful in the future. Letting it go to trial is the most productive option. Trump's bully tactic really accomplishes nothing but damage. And sets a VERY bad example of arbitrary diplomacy by tariff for other countries to follow (and we in Canada are already experiencing it with Saudi Arabia). Extremely counterproductive for maintaining world peace and any idiot should have been able to see that. But Trump's insight capabilities are below zero.

                            The reason Trump is hip shooting with tariffs and NAFTA is because that's really about all he can do as president at this point. He has alienated his own party and Congress. He is a sociopath who needs to prove that he has power, that he is in control, that the world revolves around him. So this is what he does because he can do it without any Congressional control. We can at least be thankful he's not sending the military off on some frivolous whim.
                            If the US doesn't import any aluminum from Turkey I think it's easy enough to forecast that the tariff won't have any effectiveness except to generate a lot of nonsense bad publicity. How could it be otherwise? It's like putting a 50% tariff on processed chickens imported from Antarctica. Would be very bad news for glacial poultry farms ... if there were any glacial poultry farms.

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