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10mm vs. .45 ACP for deer hunting - is the 10mm significantly better? We touched on this briefly in a previous discussion, but I thought I would go a little more in-depth. I know the 10mm has about 50% more energy on average, but the .45 has a bigger

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  • 10mm vs. .45 ACP for deer hunting - is the 10mm significantly better? We touched on this briefly in a previous discussion, but I thought I would go a little more in-depth. I know the 10mm has about 50% more energy on average, but the .45 has a bigger

    10mm vs. .45 ACP for deer hunting - is the 10mm significantly better? We touched on this briefly in a previous discussion, but I thought I would go a little more in-depth. I know the 10mm has about 50% more energy on average, but the .45 has a bigger bullet that would open a larger wound channel. With either one, I would not be interested in stretching the range. 25-30 yards max. After all, isn't the point of using a handgun the challenge of getting close?

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    I've been watching this with interest to see what would develop. I'm curious, but I have nothing to offer you that wouldn't be hearsay.

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    • #3
      Yes the 10mm is better because of that 50% more energy. As long as you use solid bullets, no hollow points. Guns kill most effectively by the energy shock they deliver in flesh and bone. Not so much by hemorrhage, making wound channel size less important. (Not unimportant, just less so.)
      Considering distance-- When it comes to handgun hunting I think of my handguns as bows that go bang and hunt accordingly.

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      • #4
        "After all, isn't the point of using a handgun the challenge of getting close" ?
        That was the initial concept regarding archery equipment and we have all
        seen how far that has gone astray, so why should the use of handguns be
        any different. When you start opening the door to all kinds of technology,
        the limits are impossible to set and the door to close.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
          "After all, isn't the point of using a handgun the challenge of getting close" ?
          That was the initial concept regarding archery equipment and we have all
          seen how far that has gone astray, so why should the use of handguns be
          any different. When you start opening the door to all kinds of technology,
          the limits are impossible to set and the door to close.
          That's what makes me think we should just open deer season and let hunters choose how they want to hunt. Instead of having bow, crossbow, muzzleloader, rifle, handgun, airguns and soon to be spears and blowguns.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
            "After all, isn't the point of using a handgun the challenge of getting close" ?
            That was the initial concept regarding archery equipment and we have all
            seen how far that has gone astray, so why should the use of handguns be
            any different. When you start opening the door to all kinds of technology,
            the limits are impossible to set and the door to close.
            I'm all for the airguns, not so sure about some of the rest of that. I view handguns the same way I do bowhunting, although I admit that it's a bit of an abstract view, considering I've never shot a deer with a handgun. I've killed a number of squirrels and rabbits, but that's it. And I will say that despite the numerous technological advances in archery, it still is a short-range proposition, compared to gun hunting. Even old-time flintlock muzzleloaders could easily take a deer out to 75-100 yards in the right hands, whereas bowhunting is a 40-yard-and-under game for the average person.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
              Yes the 10mm is better because of that 50% more energy. As long as you use solid bullets, no hollow points. Guns kill most effectively by the energy shock they deliver in flesh and bone. Not so much by hemorrhage, making wound channel size less important. (Not unimportant, just less so.)
              Considering distance-- When it comes to handgun hunting I think of my handguns as bows that go bang and hunt accordingly.
              That's what I had in mind too, regarding distance. It would never (at least not for quite a while - still too much of a trophy hunter) be my primary weapon while hunting, so I wouldn't have much incentive to stretch the range even if I wanted to. So do you think the .45 is an ethical deer gun at the ranges I threw out there or not?

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              • #8
                Either will kill a deer at the ranges you mentioned. I hunted with a guy that used .357Mag exclusively - from a tree stand. He got a deer every year.
                With my .44mag, and having sufficient practice, I would take a 100yd shot if there was an ideal presentation. No low percentage shots.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
                  "After all, isn't the point of using a handgun the challenge of getting close" ?
                  That was the initial concept regarding archery equipment and we have all
                  seen how far that has gone astray, so why should the use of handguns be
                  any different. When you start opening the door to all kinds of technology,
                  the limits are impossible to set and the door to close.
                  I will agree with both above comments, both have good points and well said. I had some regrets
                  after posting my original comment as I was not so sure my point would be well accepted by others.
                  The whole point of my post was that I strongly feel there must be a "challenge" in our sport of
                  hunting and that all the advantage can not always go to the hunter, the animal deserves more
                  respect than that. Allow us to still call it hunting and not just killing. As for what weapon is used,
                  that is at the discretion of each individual, but so are ethics and I feel there is a low point in that
                  respect in todays hunting fraternity. There appears to be too little concern and only a factor of
                  kill the "damn" thing and then lets hoop and holler about it. A long way from how I was brought up
                  as well as I know some of you were also. L guess I have stated my point, so I will shut up for now !

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
                    Yes the 10mm is better because of that 50% more energy. As long as you use solid bullets, no hollow points. Guns kill most effectively by the energy shock they deliver in flesh and bone. Not so much by hemorrhage, making wound channel size less important. (Not unimportant, just less so.)
                    Considering distance-- When it comes to handgun hunting I think of my handguns as bows that go bang and hunt accordingly.
                    I don't think the .45 is an adequate deer gun, it just does not have enough ft/lbs to reliably kill a deer except at very close range. My personal preference is the 44 mag used at the range you reference. The ballistics of the 10m are adequate though.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
                      Yes the 10mm is better because of that 50% more energy. As long as you use solid bullets, no hollow points. Guns kill most effectively by the energy shock they deliver in flesh and bone. Not so much by hemorrhage, making wound channel size less important. (Not unimportant, just less so.)
                      Considering distance-- When it comes to handgun hunting I think of my handguns as bows that go bang and hunt accordingly.
                      If you want a handgun as your primary you could go with a .308 handgun Savage, Contender and Sig make them.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
                        Yes the 10mm is better because of that 50% more energy. As long as you use solid bullets, no hollow points. Guns kill most effectively by the energy shock they deliver in flesh and bone. Not so much by hemorrhage, making wound channel size less important. (Not unimportant, just less so.)
                        Considering distance-- When it comes to handgun hunting I think of my handguns as bows that go bang and hunt accordingly.
                        I have a kel-tec PLR in 5.56..
                        It's registered as a handgun.. doesn't really have that ft lbs problem.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
                          Yes the 10mm is better because of that 50% more energy. As long as you use solid bullets, no hollow points. Guns kill most effectively by the energy shock they deliver in flesh and bone. Not so much by hemorrhage, making wound channel size less important. (Not unimportant, just less so.)
                          Considering distance-- When it comes to handgun hunting I think of my handguns as bows that go bang and hunt accordingly.
                          Thanks for the opinion. Overall, would you say that the 10mm recoils much more than the .45? I've only shot one 10mm, a Glock, and the recoil wasn't excessive at all.

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                          • #14
                            I would say the 10mm, unless you were loading the .45 to +P levels or otherwise turning it into the .45 super.

                            At that point their performances overlap more and it's more about what you prefer to shoot.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by charlie elk View Post
                              Yes the 10mm is better because of that 50% more energy. As long as you use solid bullets, no hollow points. Guns kill most effectively by the energy shock they deliver in flesh and bone. Not so much by hemorrhage, making wound channel size less important. (Not unimportant, just less so.)
                              Considering distance-- When it comes to handgun hunting I think of my handguns as bows that go bang and hunt accordingly.
                              10mm with "standard" loads is about the same as 45 ACP. With Buffalo Bore mag loads there is a bit more recoil. But I think that recoil difference is due to perceived recoil because the mag loads are always louder. Autos tame real recoil quite a lot.

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