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  • charlie elk
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    Originally posted by huntfishtrap View Post
    The reason I thought about this just now was because the other day I heard a guest on a local talk radio show say that he thought lead fishing tackle would eventually be made illegal, like lead shot has for waterfowl hunting. His reasoning was that waterfowl and other aquatic birds sometimes mistake lead split shot and sinkers for the gravel that they use to digest their food, leading to lead poisoning. I know that making fishing tackle out of lead isn't best, but the thought it possibly being banned took me by surprise a little bit. I must admit that I do use lead sinkers, spinners, etc., and never really give it a second thought. Here's a brief rundown of what they discussed: http://www.wpr.org/how-wisconsinites-may-be-unknowingly-harming-lakes-streams
    How many gut piles contain bullets? I would venture, virtually none. We use rifles here, even if a deer is gut shot the bullet most likely passes through. So then you'd have to believe the eagle goes looking for the bloody bullet. As I understand lead poisoning is a cumulative effect, not an immediate one. Notice the research is research of other, past, research studies; a prime example of cherry picking your data, usually an indication of an agenda in need of justification.

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  • huntfishtrap
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    Originally posted by huntfishtrap View Post
    The reason I thought about this just now was because the other day I heard a guest on a local talk radio show say that he thought lead fishing tackle would eventually be made illegal, like lead shot has for waterfowl hunting. His reasoning was that waterfowl and other aquatic birds sometimes mistake lead split shot and sinkers for the gravel that they use to digest their food, leading to lead poisoning. I know that making fishing tackle out of lead isn't best, but the thought it possibly being banned took me by surprise a little bit. I must admit that I do use lead sinkers, spinners, etc., and never really give it a second thought. Here's a brief rundown of what they discussed: http://www.wpr.org/how-wisconsinites-may-be-unknowingly-harming-lakes-streams
    Just noticed something after I posted - the number of bald eagle fatalities attributed to lead poisoning actually peaks in December and January. That would seem to confirm the theory that they're ingesting the lead during and after the November gun deer season.

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  • huntfishtrap
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    Originally posted by huntfishtrap View Post
    The reason I thought about this just now was because the other day I heard a guest on a local talk radio show say that he thought lead fishing tackle would eventually be made illegal, like lead shot has for waterfowl hunting. His reasoning was that waterfowl and other aquatic birds sometimes mistake lead split shot and sinkers for the gravel that they use to digest their food, leading to lead poisoning. I know that making fishing tackle out of lead isn't best, but the thought it possibly being banned took me by surprise a little bit. I must admit that I do use lead sinkers, spinners, etc., and never really give it a second thought. Here's a brief rundown of what they discussed: http://www.wpr.org/how-wisconsinites-may-be-unknowingly-harming-lakes-streams
    Interesting. I should've dug a little deeper before posting, but I was mostly interested in what everyone thought of the guy's opinion anyway. I wasn't sure if I believed it myself.

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  • charlie elk
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    In the WDNR study, loons on northern WI lakes have been found dead with lead sinkers in them. Loons are deep-diving birds that eat fish. A reasonable person could conclude that lead fishing tackle contributed to their deaths. And/or the line, hook and sinkers internally strangled them, all of this tackle was found intact.

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  • charlie elk
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    In the WDNR study, loons on northern WI lakes have been found dead with lead sinkers in them. Loons are deep-diving birds that eat fish. A reasonable person could conclude that lead fishing tackle contributed to their deaths. And/or the line, hook and sinkers internally strangled them, all of this tackle was found intact.

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  • charlie elk
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    Originally posted by huntfishtrap View Post
    The reason I thought about this just now was because the other day I heard a guest on a local talk radio show say that he thought lead fishing tackle would eventually be made illegal, like lead shot has for waterfowl hunting. His reasoning was that waterfowl and other aquatic birds sometimes mistake lead split shot and sinkers for the gravel that they use to digest their food, leading to lead poisoning. I know that making fishing tackle out of lead isn't best, but the thought it possibly being banned took me by surprise a little bit. I must admit that I do use lead sinkers, spinners, etc., and never really give it a second thought. Here's a brief rundown of what they discussed: http://www.wpr.org/how-wisconsinites-may-be-unknowingly-harming-lakes-streams
    If you follow the link from the press story hft references to the WDNR study cited in the article you will find it does not conclude lead fishing tackle has any effect rather it's deer hunters use of lead bullets. These bullets they claim are left in gut piles which eagles eat. The problem with this is, the lead level in eagles peaks in October and WI gun season does open until the last week of Nov. The study also includes lead levels in woodcock. When has anyone seen a woodcock feeding in the water? A more reliable Canadian study found high levels of lead in woodcock, at first they blamed the hunters, but soon discovered in these remote areas there was no one hunting woodcock. The conclusion there was the soil had naturally occurring high lead levels which the earthworms absorbed and then, of course, the woodcock eat the worms to get their lead. Interestingly, there was no mass woodcock die off.
    A couple of take-aways, there is another agenda at work here (anti-hunting & fishing) and WPR is not a credible news source.

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  • charlie elk
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    Originally posted by huntfishtrap View Post
    The reason I thought about this just now was because the other day I heard a guest on a local talk radio show say that he thought lead fishing tackle would eventually be made illegal, like lead shot has for waterfowl hunting. His reasoning was that waterfowl and other aquatic birds sometimes mistake lead split shot and sinkers for the gravel that they use to digest their food, leading to lead poisoning. I know that making fishing tackle out of lead isn't best, but the thought it possibly being banned took me by surprise a little bit. I must admit that I do use lead sinkers, spinners, etc., and never really give it a second thought. Here's a brief rundown of what they discussed: http://www.wpr.org/how-wisconsinites-may-be-unknowingly-harming-lakes-streams
    If you follow the link from the press story hft references to the WDNR study cited in the article you will find it does not conclude lead fishing tackle has any effect rather it's deer hunters use of lead bullets. These bullets they claim are left in gut piles which eagles eat. The problem with this is, the lead level in eagles peaks in October and WI gun season does open until the last week of Nov. The study also includes lead levels in woodcock. When has anyone seen a woodcock feeding in the water? A more reliable Canadian study found high levels of lead in woodcock, at first they blamed the hunters, but soon discovered in these remote areas there was no one hunting woodcock. The conclusion there was the soil had naturally occurring high lead levels which the earthworms absorbed and then, of course, the woodcock eat the worms to get their lead. Interestingly, there was no mass woodcock die off.
    A couple of take-aways, there is another agenda at work here (anti-hunting & fishing) and WPR is not a credible news source.

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  • huntfishtrap
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    Originally posted by jcarlin View Post
    It's phased out a bit here. It's still on the shelves but if you stop in a gas station for an emergency tackle grab it's a coin toss as to whether or not the shot dialer will be lead.
    I've wondered how much it matters.

    As someone else mentioned, on a soft bottom, it's liable to settle to the core of the earth. On a hard bottom, it's very likely that the crevice which stole your sinker is never giving that up to a bird.

    On the other hand, I'm a biter of split shot (and mono has ruined my front teeth). Not ingesting lead particles periodically probably would be better for me.
    Lead: the breakfast of (fishing) champions. Lol

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  • jcarlin
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    It's phased out a bit here. It's still on the shelves but if you stop in a gas station for an emergency tackle grab it's a coin toss as to whether or not the shot dialer will be lead.
    I've wondered how much it matters.

    As someone else mentioned, on a soft bottom, it's liable to settle to the core of the earth. On a hard bottom, it's very likely that the crevice which stole your sinker is never giving that up to a bird.

    On the other hand, I'm a biter of split shot (and mono has ruined my front teeth). Not ingesting lead particles periodically probably would be better for me.

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  • huntfishtrap
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    Originally posted by Okwaho View Post
    In NY, lead sinkers weighing a 1/2-ounce or less have been illegal to sell for some years now. You can still use them if you happened to have some when the law was passed. I know that it's of special concern regarding the loons in the Adirondacks. I believe there are other states with this law in effect, and even others that have banned not just the sale but the overall use. I have no problem with it. At first I was kind of skeptical about how many birds were really ingesting the sinkers, but even if it is sort of a random thing, there's nothing wrong with remedying it if we can. Mostly what I find now in stores is tin split-shot and it works just fine, and there was no big jump in price.
    I use spinners a lot, and that's the first thing I thought about when I heard this guy talking about a ban on lead fishing tackle. I've tried lead-free spinners, and they just don't work as well.

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  • Okwaho
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    Originally posted by Okwaho View Post
    In NY, lead sinkers weighing a 1/2-ounce or less have been illegal to sell for some years now. You can still use them if you happened to have some when the law was passed. I know that it's of special concern regarding the loons in the Adirondacks. I believe there are other states with this law in effect, and even others that have banned not just the sale but the overall use. I have no problem with it. At first I was kind of skeptical about how many birds were really ingesting the sinkers, but even if it is sort of a random thing, there's nothing wrong with remedying it if we can. Mostly what I find now in stores is tin split-shot and it works just fine, and there was no big jump in price.
    I meant to add that I'm not worried about the lead in lures. I can see a duck or loon ingesting some split shot but not a #3 Panther Martin.

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  • DogSong
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    Honestly I'd like to see lead out of nearly all our fishing gear. JM is right, it's amazing how much fishing stuff has lead in it. Not just sinkers but also lures, reels, even fishing rods!

    I went to buy my nephew one of those "Spiderman" kids fishing rods for his birthday last year, and there was a lead warning on it. You know, the kind that says "According to the state of California..."

    I asked some salesman there about it and he said apparently they still use lead paint in a lot of that stuff. But he said not to be too worried about it, it's just something those "crazy liberal Californians" require companies to tell you about. "So" I asked him, "does that mean lead only gives you cancer and birth defects if you're from California?" He just looked at me like I was the crazy one.

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  • Okwaho
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    In NY, lead sinkers weighing a 1/2-ounce or less have been illegal to sell for some years now. You can still use them if you happened to have some when the law was passed. I know that it's of special concern regarding the loons in the Adirondacks. I believe there are other states with this law in effect, and even others that have banned not just the sale but the overall use. I have no problem with it. At first I was kind of skeptical about how many birds were really ingesting the sinkers, but even if it is sort of a random thing, there's nothing wrong with remedying it if we can. Mostly what I find now in stores is tin split-shot and it works just fine, and there was no big jump in price.

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  • jhjimbo
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    Originally posted by huntfishtrap View Post
    The reason I thought about this just now was because the other day I heard a guest on a local talk radio show say that he thought lead fishing tackle would eventually be made illegal, like lead shot has for waterfowl hunting. His reasoning was that waterfowl and other aquatic birds sometimes mistake lead split shot and sinkers for the gravel that they use to digest their food, leading to lead poisoning. I know that making fishing tackle out of lead isn't best, but the thought it possibly being banned took me by surprise a little bit. I must admit that I do use lead sinkers, spinners, etc., and never really give it a second thought. Here's a brief rundown of what they discussed: http://www.wpr.org/how-wisconsinites-may-be-unknowingly-harming-lakes-streams
    In soft bottom Lakes and streams any lead would sink into the silt and be out of the reach of birds and fish.

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  • JM
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    Originally posted by bowhunter75richard View Post
    Maybe I don't know that much about it hft, but I thought that lead was mostly
    a problem when it is ingested and I am not too sure that is so much of a problem
    with fish. But maybe there are other factors involved here that I am not aware
    of, such as causing damage to other things besides fish. I guess it depends
    on what might ingest lead sinkers. Maybe my ignorance is showing ??
    Oops, Should've read the other answers...my response has already been brought up.

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